Clemens just reached Pete Rose level

[Biggin]

trust me spuds, if pvfan is attacking ANY red, its gotta be serious


mindy mccready? rocket cant do better than a 15 yr old mediocre country singer?


his wife is hotter IMO

MMMM... I lived in Dayton till I was 12, followed the Big Red Machine till got down here and couldn't find them. WSWV in Pennington carried the games for a few years, got back into it a little, he is on the wrong guy. Reading books. The guy, Rose, came to the kid's camps in Cincy and Dayton. We are talking his whole career for me, history for someone else. Naw, I don't think you will sway me on this. Rose and Bench sold cars in the off-season cause they didn't make that much money...just like regular guys. That is what makes the oldtimes special, if Bench, Rose , Aaron- that group had been able to train all year? Rose got MVP one year, asked for more money- 100 grand to 107- Marge wouldn't go for it. Think about it, Nat. MVP, 7 grand, club wouldn't produce, but he didn't sell out on the town. This is what makes me sick about pro sports today. They wouldn't make a scratch on the old guys, community wise. I'd rather see the kids play at the high school level. They play for pride, that used to mean something in the pros ,too- but today's group are like the president, gimmie money!

[Biggin]

but, to comprise the integrity of the game, isnt that worse than wanting fifty million dollars?

Jordan gambles, the casinos in the Smokies are up and running? You got the wrong guy. Games are made to be wagered on, if that is what you want. Somebody said they made some cash from on-line poker, do you recall who? Rose didn't throw games.

[pvfan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jordan gambles, the casinos in the Smokies are up and running? You got the wrong guy. Games are made to be wagered on, if that is what you want. Somebody said they made some cash from on-line poker, do you recall who? Rose didn't throw games. </div></div>


I think there is a huge difference between gambling at a casino, online, etc than your own baseball team as a manager. It's the 8th inning tied up and Pete has money on the game. He can bring in his closer to pitch two innings today but lose him for the next two games, what does he do? He has money on the game and brings him in, and says the hell with the next two games. To say he didn't change the outcomes of games is nuts.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jordan gambles, the casinos in the Smokies are up and running? You got the wrong guy. Games are made to be wagered on, if that is what you want. Somebody said they made some cash from on-line poker, do you recall who? Rose didn't throw games. </div></div>


I think there is a huge difference between gambling at a casino, online, etc than your own baseball team as a manager. It's the 8th inning tied up and Pete has money on the game. He can bring in his closer to pitch two innings today but lose him for the next two games, what does he do? He has money on the game and brings him in, and says the hell with the next two games. To say he didn't change the outcomes of games is nuts. </div></div>
Try again, that is the problem the real oldtime Red's fans have with this. Rose only bet on his teams to WIN, Forget it, I met him, his life was in the Dayton Daily News every day, everyone in town felt like they knew him. How close have you ever been to him? PS Jordan bet on his golf games at the course, but you wouldn't know that would you? Today's sports suck- but the old guys from Cincy- you ain't got a chance, be good and I'll show you my G Foster MVP Auto ball from 78.

[pvfan]

I agree that he only bet on his teams to win but he directly affected the outcomes of other games by how he handled his roster in those games. He comes to the park and knows that the star player for LA is not playing that day he loads up his lineup and bets on the game. Gambling on golf does not compare to betting on MLB Baseball (if your the manager). I have autographed memorabilia from George Foster as well, sat down and talked with the man at a Reds game a few summers ago. As for the Reds, I'll gladly wager that I have forgotten more than you'll ever know about them from any era. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

[BlueWahooChambordDevil]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spuds</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jordan gambles, the casinos in the Smokies are up and running? You got the wrong guy. Games are made to be wagered on, if that is what you want. Somebody said they made some cash from on-line poker, do you recall who? Rose didn't throw games. </div></div>
games arent made to be wagered on

if they were sports betting would be legal all over the country and not just in vegas........and there wouldnt have been a bill passed to try and eliminate online sports gambling in this country

secondly it doesnt matter if he threw any games or not.......when you have somebody who is betting on a game they are directly involved in........it compromises the integrity of the game

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlueWahooChambor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spuds</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jordan gambles, the casinos in the Smokies are up and running? You got the wrong guy. Games are made to be wagered on, if that is what you want. Somebody said they made some cash from on-line poker, do you recall who? Rose didn't throw games. </div></div>
games arent made to be wagered on

if they were sports betting would be legal all over the country and not just in vegas........and there wouldnt have been a bill passed to try and eliminate online sports gambling in this country

secondly it doesnt matter if he threw any games or not.......when you have somebody who is betting on a game they are directly involved in........it compromises the integrity of the game </div></div>
Sorta like the loan industry...biblical money changers?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Biggin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">trust me spuds, if pvfan is attacking ANY red, its gotta be serious


mindy mccready? rocket cant do better than a 15 yr old mediocre country singer?


his wife is hotter IMO </div></div>
But she ain't 15, neuter him!